I do stand for the 99% abolishing the rule of the 1%

Brockney C HouseFm DotNet

I stand for neither. I do stand for the 99% abolishing the rule of the 1% though.

The only way of achieving equality is to dismantle borders, divide work equally throughout the world and pay everybody the same. A little bit of maths will demonstrate that we would all be reasonably comfortable.

This may be a difficult ideal to achieve in reality but I refuse to support any system that is overly wealthy whilst people in other parts of the world are starving or impoverished.

Shana Begum

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Protest for Independence

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Shana Begum

You are all invited

Jock Campbell

So you tell me, how many communist countries (as that's what you're proposing) have contributed billions to overseas aid?

Brockney C HouseFm DotNet

Communism does not exist in the world. The few countries that are portrayed as communist are run by dictators and isolated from the rest.

Jock Campbell

What you just proposed above is communist idealism... or didn't you realise that?

Brockney C HouseFm DotNet

Secondly, if wealth was distributed equally throughout the world, overseas aid would not be needed! Please at least read and understand the simple ideal!

Brockney C HouseFm DotNet

Yes, I know that mate. And what?

Brockney C HouseFm DotNet

I cannot see one thing wrong with wishing for equality. Can you?

Jock Campbell

I see, so from where are you going to appoint all the administrators to oversee the distribution of this wealth... and who's theories are you going to adopt in doing so? And how many of the world's people will be happy with how you do that?!!

Cloud cuckoo land mate.

Michael Brooks

Wow, right out of Occupy are we?

Brockney C HouseFm DotNet

Like I said mate, "This may be a difficult ideal to achieve in reality but I refuse to support any system that is overly wealthy whilst people in other parts of the world are starving or impoverished."

Jock Campbell

There are differing versions of equality. Can you imagine a world where everyone has exactly the same amount of wealth? What5 then is there to strive for? And in striving, won’t you be attacking the system?

You see, idealisms are fine in your head... the practicalities are FAR more complex!

Brockney C HouseFm DotNet

I would however like a world where people in poverty stricken countries are paid £1 an hour whilst a footballer gets £200,000 per week. The status quo is nothing short of evil

Jock Campbell

Look, I agree wholeheartedly that we need a redistribution of wealth, but knee-jerk idealisms will never solve such problems.

Brockney C HouseFm DotNet

There are lots of things to strive for - love, happiness, competition for the sake of enjoyment and not greed. I used to love playing Sunday league football because I love football. If I had been outstanding, why should my wages cause others to starve??

Brockney C HouseFm DotNet

Guys, I can understand you seeing this as cloud cuckoo land, knee jerk or whatever but please look outside the box. I cannot write an entire thesis as a facebook status lol!!

Brockney C HouseFm DotNet

I am simply saying we should at least aim for equality and we may have a slightly better quality planet

Jock Campbell

I agree... but as I said, throwing idealist dreams at these things doesn't work. Seriously mate, it's been tried, it failed spectacularly.

Brockney C HouseFm DotNet

Who is throwing idealist dreams at anything? A good start would be to narrow the wage gap and create more jobs by not letting greedy people work more hours to earn more than they need

Brockney C HouseFm DotNet

Jock Campbell - the current way of doing things has been and is being tried and continues to fail, spectacularly ;)

Owen Phelps

But how would we determine how much pay should be distributed? How would that translate when it comes to rare materials used in manufacturing? How would we determine the price of goods? Would they all be available to all to access, but then that's about 7 odd billion people. What about new people being born into society? How much will they get? And also, who would pay for all of this? And no, we still would need overseas aid. Africa is definitely not as developed as Europe, and would take more income to get it up to par, which would then in turn, make Europe suffer. Furthermore, we've seen hierarchies develop in every society, even in the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Venezuela, Yemen, the Eastern Bloc, and Vietnam. 

Also, when it comes to equality, what about those who are more able to succeed than others? Surely they shouldn't be punished because they succeed, and surely don't want to have others cash in on their effort without working themselves. Or else no one would do any work. Besides, Communism is an abomination, especially if it restricts such human freedoms such as freedom of speech, assembly, and expression. Though you'll probably protest against what I say, just think for a second. The very fact you see it best to instil the populace with communism is a demonstration of restrictions placed against the populace. It's an idea, and ideas are so easy to bend and twist to fit the leaders' definition. Just look at what Stalin did. He twisted Lenin’s' words in 1924, and became the leader of the USSR because he set himself up as Lenin’s' disciple. Very few could argue against him, because what is there to argue? It's all subjective. 

Forced equality isn't what's needed, but equity. Equal opportunity and a financial safety net to guard those who aren't as well off, not short sighted idealism that's a waste of time and effort. Let those who can succeed, but don't abuse, nor forget the poor.

Jock Campbell

But it isn't dictated by monarchy... it's the corporatist greedfest that has failed us.

Jock Campbell

Yes Owen, he's getting into the Zeitgeist scenario... death by lethargy.

Neil Jukes

Or impoverished in this country

Brockney C HouseFm DotNet

Owen, very good comments there and clearly well educated ones. I would like to challenge you when you say "also, when it comes to equality, what about those who are more able to succeed than others?" by asking how can it be right to make those less capable of succeeding in life to starve or suffer?

Also, regarding rare materials, is it right to spend thousands of 'hard earned' pounds on a necklace whilst others starve or suffer?

And finally, yes of course a simple solution to the problems in the world is not possible in reality. But striving to reach a state of society where everybody can get by and enjoy their lives is surely not a bad objective to have? That is my aim

Brockney C HouseFm DotNet

What do you reckon about 1% of the world's population presently holding about 40% of the wealth? It is a fact, but is it right and proper in a moral sense? The present shitstem, sorry system, is making these 1% richer (check the Forbes list if you want proof of this fact)

Brockney C HouseFm DotNet

And who runs the system? The 1%! FFS please wake up!

Jock Campbell

I can answer that... anyone can learn a tradable skill, and those who make a success of their skills should have the ability to enjoy the skills of others... whether that's in precious materials or not.

Indeed, the wealth distribution of the world is grossly skewed, and certainly we need to address that issue.

Owen Phelps

I do agree with you on some points. I think it's absurd to fork out thousands of pounds on jewellery that could be used for more worthwhile endeavours. Sadly, such commodities do help bring employment to our shores. 

However, I wouldn't say we build a communist society, but reform the current one. Implement a progressive tax system. The upper classes pay a higher percentage than the lower classes of course, safety nets, encourage entrepreneurs, and small businesses. 

And I'm not saying we should deny anybody anything. If you are hard working, and if you are bright, and contribute well, you should go up in the world. But as I also said, we should take into account the people who do honest work, and pay attention to their quality of life also. Make sure that they are being paid fairly for the work they do, and that they have access to a good living conditions, but as long as they work. Because that's how I see a nation: it's a give and take progress. You work hard, you go far. But in general, I'd prefer a nation of wealthy people, in terms of education, and finances. Not some sort of Big Brother state where the masses toil under a party that acts as their saviour – which they clearly aren't because they become so removed from society.

And no, I have nothing wrong with your aim. I think it's noble, and admirable. But I just don't agree with communism, as there are too many holes which need filling which can't be done.

Brockney C HouseFm DotNet

Owen, we are already pretty much in a big brother state, the big brother being the 1% super rich who control politics and corporations. And yes, reforming the current status quo is pretty much my belief too, so we are at least closer to equality than at present.

Jock writes 'Indeed, the wealth distribution of the world is grossly skewed, and certainly we need to address that issue.' and I admire that comment. As for enjoying the skills of others, if we imagine people as jigsaw pieces of the world, we need everybody in order for it to be complete. Think about it - a wealthy footballer enjoys the skills of his dustman; otherwise he would be living in trash. And the dustman may well enjoy the skills of the footballer too. But one should just about pay his rent while the other one had several cars. Just aint fair in my opinion.

Jock Campbell

Damn the architects of society's ill no-one will deny your logic.

But beware the man who waters your roses, whose life you deem as tragic.

For he is but one of the massing throng who provoked will surround your castle,

With rage in his heart and steel in his hand, the rebel is borne of the vassal.

Jock 2011

Tam Raymond

In fairness to Brockney, studies have shown that the "happiest, most contented" societies are in countries that have lesser gaps between the poorer and the better off. These are very important studies, and many think, and I'm one of them, that they go some way to explaining the summer riots in England last year.

Jock Campbell

Totally agree Tam... and there's no doubt this needs addressing. Not sure where the monarch comes into it though! I think you and I both know that better political representation would make a real difference here in Scotland.

Tam Raymond

True Jock, but, although I can't agree exactly with Brockney's views, I have strong sympathies with them. Maybe if we, whoever we end up being, stop rewarding failure it would be a start. And, though footballers get high wages, they have short careers, I think highly paid managers should be both hit hard, and even more importantly, made to do their jobs...but that's a longer story, and has nowt to do with her Maj lol

Jock Campbell

Aye mate, I think the biggest mistake we made was to open up global trade without conditions imposed upon the business 'players'...

By that I mean that IMHO, an investor who wishes to do business overseas MUST first have built and maintained a thriving business in the country of his origin... and that that business is his priority above all others.

The problem we have is people who have made or inherited a fortune here... and have pissed off to China to do business, leaving their own nation without progress or prospect.

Brockney C HouseFm DotNet

Tam, I went to a march along with half a million people and one of the big concepts was 'Cut Warfare not Welfare'. A month later Britain invaded Libya and cut housing benefit. Then after the riots the government had the audacity to say that if we want change we should protest peacefully!

Tam Raymond

Agreed!