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Wednesday, 6 June 2012
"The queen tries to steal from the poor. No more needs to be said"
John Gaughan
The queen try'es to steal from the poor. No more needs to be said.
Queen tried to use state poverty fund to heat Buckingham Palace
www.independent.co.uk
The Queen asked ministers for a poverty handout to help heat her palaces but was rebuffed because they feared it would be a public relations disaster, documents disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act reveal.
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Psicodélico Español Farlow
fuck her where she breathes
Monday at 11:51
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Donna Aston
Fact. The more they have, the more they want. I'm sure she could have found the money in her savings account.
Monday at 17:48
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Donna Aston
They took the heating allowance from the poorest - and then the filthy rich ask for handouts??...Fcking unbelievable!...
Monday at 17:49
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Philip Fairweather
Bit of a non story here about something that didn't happen and badly spun to make the Queen look bad...The Queen isn't even responsible for heating Buckingham Palace anyway and wouldn't have made the request...As part of Crown Estates, it is actually owned by the State and would be maintained by the government whether there was a monarchy or not...
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Jock Campbell
Typical propaganda... seized upon in true knee-jerk manner by those who allow themselves to think about things with their little toes before engaging their brains.
Monday at 19:27
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Philip Fairweather
Some people just don't understand the difference between the Queen's personal wealth, which she pays tax on just like everybody else, and the crown estates, which are state owned, and the civil list, which is a fixed amount the Queen gets for being Head of State and is also taxable...The Queen makes far more money for the country than she costs...
Monday at 19:30
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Tam Raymond
Philip, the Crown Estates are owned by the Monarch, i.e. The Queen. And how is it a non-story that she/her treasurer tried to access funds which were set aside for the poorest?
Monday at 19:31
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Tam Raymond
The story has never been denied, was in a very respectable newspaper, and show EXACTLY what that vile posh family think or their "subjects"!
Monday at 19:31
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Tam Raymond
Shady there Philip: the civil list doesn't only give the queen money for nothing now does it? What about the rest of the firm?
Monday at 19:33
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Jock Campbell
No Tam, you're quite wrong there mate, the Queen doesn't "own" the crown estates. The crown estates are the unmarketable lands that the state controls on the nation's behalf.
Monday at 19:34
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Philip Fairweather
The Crown Estates have not been owned by the monarch since the time of George III...To say otherwise is a total misleading lie...This encompasses all the London Palaces, Windsor and Holyrood...Sandringham and Balmoral are her personal property, but they are not the issue here...
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Tam Raymond
Nope, you're wrong Jock. The Crown owns the estates.
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Tam Raymond
In the United Kingdom, the Crown Estate is a property portfolio owned by the Crown. Although still belonging to the monarch and inherent with the accession of the throne, it is no longer the private property of the reigning monarch and cann
ot be sold by him/her, nor do the revenues from it belong to the monarch personally (as each monarch, upon accession, surrenders the surplus revenues in return for an annual grant known as the Civil List). It is managed by an independent organisation headed by the Crown Estate Commissioners. The surplus revenue from the Estate is paid each year to HM Treasury. The Crown Estate is formally accountable to Parliament, to which it makes an annual report.[1]
Monday at 19:37
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Tam Raymond
See?
Monday at 19:38
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Jock Campbell
Thank you, you've just confiormed my point!
Monday at 19:38
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Tam Raymond
Owned by the crown.
Monday at 19:40
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Tam Raymond
OWNED
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Philip Fairweather
The Crown is not the Monarch...
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Tam Raymond
Hahahaha!
Monday at 19:42
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Tam Raymond
What is it then?
Monday at 19:42
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Tam Raymond
" Although still belonging to the monarch and inherent with the accession of the throne"
So WHO OWNS the crown estates guys?
Monday at 19:43
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Tam Raymond
"as each monarch, upon accession, surrenders the surplus revenues in return for an annual grant known as the Civil List"
Nice racket if you can wangle it lol! Oh! They're doing us a FAVOUR! Hahaha...
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Jock Campbell
WE do! WE own the monarch!
The queen is only a representation of the crown,
Tam
. The crown is the representation of the nation's license to rule, while the sceptre and sword are representation of the people's loyalty and power.
Monday at 19:46
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Philip Fairweather
The Crown IS the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland...Simple as that...Not the Monarch, not the government, but the State...
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Tam Raymond
"as each monarch, upon accession, surrenders the surplus revenues in return for an annual grant known as the Civil List"
Monday at 20:00
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Tam Raymond
She is the crown, don't be silly guys
Monday at 20:01
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Jock Campbell
No Tam... I don't know if you noticed... but she WEARS the crown!
Monday at 20:03
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Tam Raymond
oh, fuck sake...she is the ruling monarch, i.e. the person of the crown you both know this...
Monday at 20:04
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Tam Raymond
Crown
This is another way of referring to the monarchy - which is the oldest part of the system of government in this country. Time has reduced the power of the monarchy, and today it is broadly ceremonial. The current UK monarch is Queen Elizabeth II.
Monday at 20:04
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Tam Raymond
tongue under bottom lip time and mnnnnnnnhhh! :-)
Monday at 20:05
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Philip Fairweather
The Civil List is tiny in comparison to the revenue of the Crown Estates...What I reported is established FACT...Don't try and twist those facts to build a false picture...Most Republican arguments are based on such fictionalised propaganda and seek to deliberately mislead the ignorant...
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Philip Fairweather
The Crown represents the country...always has done always will, whoever wears it, whether it be King, Queen, Regent, Protector or President...
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Laurence Northcote
Anyway... the priority here is to decide first for the independence. Next referendum will be or us to chose what kind of government we want!
Monday at 20:38
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Jim Smith
she is on a pension, she gets a heating allowance and a free bus pass,lol
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Tam Raymond
Philip. is black white? How mush are you willing to deny truth? I have demonstrated calmly, and irrefutably that the current monarch is the Crown.
Don't tell me established fact which is actually embellished rubbish.
Who is the Crown? Th
e monarch. Who said she wasn't? You.
Who said this:
" The Crown IS the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland...Simple as that...Not the Monarch, not the government, but the State"
And who was entirely wrong? Go on...yes? You.
Monday at 22:07
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Philip Fairweather
I am not wrong...I have stated FACTS...The Monarch and the Crown are two different things...Any basic research will reveal this...My statement was absolutely correct...The Crown is not a person, it is the State...The Monarch is the Head of that state...That is the basis of our constitution...It couldn't be explained more simply...
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Philip Fairweather
http://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/The_crown
"The Crown is a corporation sole that in the Commonwealth realms and any provincial or state sub-divisions thereof represents the legal embodiment of governance, whether executive, legislative, or judi
cial. It evolved first in the United Kingdom as a separation of the literal crown and property of the nation state from the person and personal property of the monarch, a concept which then spread via British colonisation and is now rooted in the legal lexicon of the other 15 independent realms. In this context it should not be confused with any physical crown, such as those of the British state regalia."
The Crown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The Crown is a corporation sole that in the Commonwealth realms and any provinci
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Jock Campbell
Tam, you're trying to make the argument a personal vendetta against the monarch, who really, is just the personal embodiment of the crown... she doesn't "own" the country, or the crown's assets, she merely represents them in much the same m
anner as a chairman of a large company... and even then, she isn't exactly an executive chairman, she's just a symbolic figurehead representing the company... much like Gillette like having George Cloonie as a marketing spokesman!
Except, she doesn't have a choice which marketing strategy she gets to adopt, she has to toe the company line!
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Philip Fairweather
"But much of the assets associated with the Queen are not her personal possessions. Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle, the Crown Jewels and the Royal Collection are instead held in trust for the nation.
The Crown Estate, the royal lands d
ating back to 1066, generate around £110 million a year which is handed back to the Government in return for a £40 million payment to cover the cost of running the monarchy.
The true value of the Queen's private property, which includes Balmoral, Sandringham, a smaller collection of jewellery and some paintings has never been disclosed. She also derives a personal income of around £12.5million a year from the Duchy of Lancaster.
But a spokeswoman for Buckingham Palace insisted last night: "The Queen's personal wealth has always been vastly exaggerated." "
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Queen 12th in Forbes list of richest royals - Telegraph
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Her lands may date back to the reign of William the Conqueror, but when it comes
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